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  • How the N.R.A. Fought Gun Control After Parkland | NYT News

     Charles updated 11 months, 2 weeks ago 2 Members · 2 Posts
  • Charles

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:31 pm

  • Thank you Rabbit

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    Don’t most mass shootings in the U.S. occur in GUN FREE zones?

  • Tim Wasko

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    Just joined 3 days ago. Feels great

  • Thomas Totten

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    And how the NRA FAILED WHEN TRUMP BANNED MY BUMP STOCK.

  • Black

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    Who needs refugees to terrorize the people when you have the NRA to do that for you?

  • Donna Chump – DRAFT DODGER

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    NRA/RELIGION 👈PEDOPHILES

  • mikefly562

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    The NRA is a domestic terrorist organization.

  • Chris 3396

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    What a sick country the us has become

  • pax43

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    kinda like nfl in the concussion?

  • Idontknowwhat2type

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    Wonder what nra will say about this shooting. Texas has the most “good guys with guns”

  • sharon nagle

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    All the crazy comments against banning 18 year olds in florida buying guns just shows me how there are many people who shouldn't have guns. They don't have anything to say about the killer with the gun, only how unamerican it is of me to say the NRA is wrong.

  • Zach V.D.90

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    Facts don’t lie unless they come from the mouth of a liberal.

  • Glen

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    How the N.R.A. for our rights unique to the USA

  • Prince Adam

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    What part of “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” do you people not understand.

  • john smith

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    I agree. Although an ideal utipian society without crimes and guns seems ideal, it won’t happen because there will always be someone who ruins the social homeostasis, leading to crimes. Gun control is thus deemed as heresy because recidivous and recidivous mission criminals can repeat their crimes and inflict emotional, physical, and mental injury, as well as death.

  • Jesseus The Body

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    news flash idiots now that we have 3-d printers you can make your own gun and ammo so basically its game over its america we all carry guns or you hire a gun fighter like old john waynes movies idiots

  • mike swiental

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    there are ways to tell when a mass shooting is a deep state operation= one way is when they have multiple guns. lets look at so called las vegas shooter. he had about 40 guns..really, he did. so go back to Hillary Clintons statement;" I would sue the gun manufacture's everytime there is a shooting"..so, read what kinds of guns were there= almost every popular brand, so, if one of those lawsuits ever won, almost all gun makers would go bankrupt and that is why they do that but that would be like suing ford or chevy because a terrorist used their brand to run over victims. so they keep trying..remember, no one would risk bringing 20,30,40, guns to attack with, they would just bring 1 or 2 and lots of ammo…think..think..don't be fooled.

  • justin holmes

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    I will say this to those who support gun control and Confiscation. I believe that if you intend to pass these laws then you should be the ones to enforce them. I say come and take them, because I know that most law enforcement and military members do not support confiscation. So please by all means, come and take them, and don't let this tragedy go to waste.

  • Hans Tun

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    The NRA kills people for money.

    There really isn't another way of looking at it. We know with 100% certainty that the policies they promote are killing children so what gives America?

  • melloe

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    Vomit.

  • kellerr13

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    Democrats and Liberals just attack whatever they PERCEIVE to be the cause. So what is the cause people getting run over by a muslim driving a vehicle?

  • ncooty

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    It seems to me that too many conservatives have this discussion in bad faith, full of paranoia, whereas too many liberals have this discussion in ignorance, full of emotion. It's rare to meet someone who is willing to weigh civil liberties against public safety, yet who also understands ballistics and is willing to set aside the emotional weight of anomalies.

  • Tyran Ocisari

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    The truth is violent crime and homicide rates, which includes mass murder and mass shootings, are at one of the lowest points in over forty years. Kids today are not living in a time where they are more likely to be murdered. But they've been dupped into believing this utter fantasy by anti 2nd Amendment propagandists and their puppet media, who peddle this lie every day.
    1. The fact is, reduction in gun possession and/or gun availability has never proven effective in reducing overall violent crime or homicide rates.
    2. But if there was a correlation shown in crime stats it would be against strict gun restrictions.
    3. IDGAF about articles, theories, or opinions, the data speaks for itself. Articles can be written by anyone, and without data references they're sanctimonious fluff. (aka BS)
    4. The number of mass shootings used by anti 2nd Amendment proponents is BS. They include any shooting where 4 or more people are shot, even if ZERO fatalities occur, and regardless of circumstance. They include events of gang violence, home invasion, mutual combat, ..etc. Then compare it to rampage and spree killings that have multiple indiscriminate murders. Basically attempting to deceive people into thinking there are hundreds of rampage shootings every year, which is a lie.
    5. Calling mass murder a crisis or epidemic is just more fear mongering lies. The CDC qualifies an epidemic as causing between 6.5 and 8.0 percent of deaths. Mass killings or even all shootings don't even come close. Mass killings resulted in 208 deaths in 2017. With a population of 323.1 million thats a per capita rate of 0.06438 making the percent rate 0.00006438%. You are 7.9 times more likely to die from animal attacks, and 7.7 times more likely to die from knife attacks. Mass shootings are a subset of mass murders and a minute portion of overall murders. Even if you could stop ALL gun homicides, if you don't reduce the overall or homicide rates then you have saved ZERO lives. That is why anti 2nd Amendment proponents don't show data on trending overall violent crime or homicide rates compared to gun possession rates. The truth is overall violent crime and homicide rates in the US are at one of the lowest points in over forty years, gun possession is at one of the highest, and this doesn't support the censored data or rhetoric of the anti gun agenda.
    6. If you have the right to life, but not the right to armed defense of life, then it's not a right. It becomes a privilege conditional on the choice of the criminally violent not to be an armed threat. As long as weapons exist and people have the right to life, then they have the right to armed defense of life.
    7. Quackers Hill arson attack, Churchill arson attack, Childers Palace Hostel arson attack, the Manhattan truck attack, Nice Vehicle attack, West Fertilizer Company arson attack, Oklahoma City bombing, Happy Land arson attack, Bath School Massacre, September 11th, Glendale train derailment, LaGuardia Bombing, Gullivers club arson attack, LA Times bombing, Upstairs Longe arson attack, all deadly mass murders that didn't involve guns. How is banning specific types of guns going to ensure that those who perpetrate mass shootings, won't use some other means of mass murder, like the perpetrators of the attacks above? We don't need gun laws that disarm citizens and don't reduce overall violent crime rates. How is it logical to use gun restrictions when they have never proven to reduce overall violent crime or homicide rates? Mass shootings are a subset of mass murders and a minute portion of overall murders. None of which are caused by people owning guns or exercising their rights. Again, if the rate of overall violent crime or homicide isn't reduced then no lives are saved, and people are not any safer from being murdered.

    http://granitegrok.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2015-12-21-at-3.02.42-PM-2.jpg

    https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_household_gun_ownership_vs_violent_crime_2001.png

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/compendium/focusonviolentcrimeandsexualoffences/yearendingmarch2016/homicide#what-does-the-long-term-trend-in-homicide-look-like

    http://crimestats.aic.gov.au/NHMP/1_trends/

    http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/previous series/vt/1-9/vt01.html

    http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/341-360/tandi359.html

    https://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/

    http://www.cdc.gov

    http://www.fbi.gov

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12

    https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-study-use-firearms-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm

    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/hvfsdaft.txt

    http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

  • Tyran Ocisari

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    Their ultimate goal is to turn the rights which the Constitution was written to protect, in to privileges that will be lorded over by a bureaucracy. To them the truth is a nonissue. That is why they lie about the complete ineffectiveness of gun control. It's why they lie about the capabilities of firearms and deceptively mislabel weapons in order to demonize guns and gun owners. It's why they bombard people with censored data and expurgated stats. It's why refuse to have an open debate about the unfettered facts and the whole truth.

    It's disgusting how these kids are being manipulated and exploited by an anti individual rights agenda. They're using children to evoke peoples' emotional attachment to their propaganda, which is purely based on lies and half truths.
    The truth is violent crime and homicide rates, which includes mass murder and mass shootings, are at one of the lowest points in over forty years. Kids today are not living in a time where they are more likely to be murdered. But they've been dupped into believing this utter fantasy by anti 2nd Amendment propagandists and their puppet media, who peddle this lie every day.
    The reality is that neither gun bans or restrictions have shown correlation to reduction in overall violent crime or homicide rates. That's why anti 2nd Amendment advocates don't show data on trending overall violent crime or homicide rates compared to gun possession or availability rates. It doesn't support the false anti 2nd Amendment narrative. It doesn't matter even if you have ZERO gun crime or ZERO gun homicide. If overall violent crime or homicide rates go up or continue as previously trending then ZERO lives were saved.
    The bans and restrictions being proposed will do nothing to save lives. They have already been proven completely ineffective. The deadliest mass murders aren't even perpetrated with guns. Removing one method of violence without removing the propensity for violence will save ZERO lives. They are nothing more than a means to undermine the 2nd Amendment and move the US closer to complying with the European Firearms Directive. As long as weapons exist and people have the right to life, then people have the right to be armed in defense of life.

    https://youtu.be/jyI3uSk1xLw

    https://youtu.be/-GPUYBcHyTc

    https://youtu.be/STo3hwN–5E

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/compendium/focusonviolentcrimeandsexualoffences/yearendingmarch2016/homicide#what-does-the-long-term-trend-in-homicide-look-like

    http://crimestats.aic.gov.au/NHMP/1_trends/

    http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/previous series/vt/1-9/vt01.html

    http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/341-360/tandi359.html

    https://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/

    http://www.cdc.gov

    http://www.fbi.gov

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12

    https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-study-use-firearms-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm

    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/hvfsdaft.txt

    http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

    http://granitegrok.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2015-12-21-at-3.02.42-PM-2.jpg

    https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_household_gun_ownership_vs_violent_crime_2001.png

  • DMG2FUN

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    Hey gun haters, name a gun control law that only affects criminals. Hey hey, ho ho, the NRA is here to stay!

  • Mr Death

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    i am afraid going to america becouse people carry guns not miltary. most countty around the world only miltarry has gun. even police dont carry guns

  • Lester Walker

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    thank the NRA and Trump for Parkland shooting https://youtu.be/m7Ts_pZzFzw

  • Tony truth

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    Trump's ex-girlfriend says she was misquoted by the NY Times

  • Tony truth

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    Trump's ex-girlfriend says she was misquoted by the NY Times

  • Chris Hall

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    the NRA represents a large majority of America's opinion on gun control. it is a right that shall not be infringed. the drivel you are pushing about guns is just that drivel. the facts don't support you.

  • TheMinnesotaMaverick

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    My gun isn't the problem. It's criminals and failed liberal policies. The NRA isn't the problem. Just look at Chicago. Liberal paradise and thousands of dead young people over the decades. Go after the bad guys and leave the good guys alone. Protect the Second Amendment!

  • Adam Kent

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    Gun Control – Established 1600s. The path through history that lead America to the Second Amendment. It might not be what you thought.
    http://adifferentangle.blog/2018/05/07/gun-control-established-1600

  • Gregory Dahl

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    The constitution . Just do that . If they start new stuff like national gun clubs to count your bullets and see if you got one and don't sound like they stand behind the constitution , but make a list to come and take all the registered or whatever licenced guns first ? Quit blabbling . The nra should be passing out guns or something , not seeing if it's ok to have one . What part of the right to bear arms do they seem to be missing .? They should obey that right , not debate it . If they don't want one why don't they just turn tbem over to people who do first ? Next they will resend the declaration of independance and submit to the royal crown of the united kingdom of england to uniform themselves as servants of the royal court and stuff . Stop all the naughty diservitude and get on with a blah blah . Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

  • Shuma Gorath

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    The nra are fudds who gave in and supported gun control… they supported a ban on bump stocks this might not seem like much to you guys but every little inch and Concession you make is one move against your gun rights

  • Edmund Dobry

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    Come to Georgia my Floridians we will sell you any rifle or shotgun as long as your 18.

  • Surplus Bus

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    Come live in Europe guys!
    We actually have laws that put cars amd guns at the same level
    Like requiring a license
    You know
    The basics
    The things that we saw as fundamental like 70 years ago or so

  • Big Jim Davis

    Guest
    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    Protect what you love. New song titled "Glad I Had My Gun" about the protection/defense side of this issue. Check it out at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eipcjPquh3Q

  • Kushandpolo

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    More ppl die every year of opioid deaths and that's banned but that didn't stop my brother from getting hold of it and still dying 😑your anti gun logic is flawed

  • Mark Green

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    December 14, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    The victims of mass shootings stand very little chance in winning a battle with the NRA over gun safety laws. The NRA has a virtually unlimited supply of cash to promote their agenda. The more gun crime, the more frightened people buy guns and the cycle continues to feed on itself.

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